dovrebbero rispondere bon levate se tornate a casa vostra pace deal?
tanto è una cosa narrativa, la guerra finirà quando i russi sul campo saranno finiti o le perdite saranno così alte che qualcuno deciderà di usare le armi come nel 17 a mosca
Si è fermato a cercare un filtro sociologico più grande.
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cerca di confondersi tra i civili
e adesso non vorrei essere un collaboratore dei russi restato a Kherson.
Quelli credo se ne siano andati già da un pezzo, l'"evacuazione" verso est di gran parte della popolazione era stata avviata già settimane fa e qualsiasi filorusso o collaborazionista con un minimo di sale in zucca ha avuto ampiamente tempo di tagliare la corda.
Dipende anche se ai russi gliene fregava qualcosa di salvarli
Secondo me no. Dovrebbero sentire cosa propongono in modo che sia chiaro a tutti che le richieste russe sono irricevibili perchè Putin ad un tavolo, in questo momento, non può non chiedere il riconoscimento delle annessioni, dopo averle strombazzate con tutte quelle cafonate.
A quel punto, sfido chiunque a sostenere che l'Ucraina farebbe male a rifiutare.
Bisogna vedere il bluff.
Dal NYT:
So what happens now? Despite this blow to Russia, analysts agree that the war is far from over. Here’s a look at what might lie ahead.
A flare-up in fighting: Gen. Sergei Surovikin, the commander of Russia’s forces in Ukraine, said the withdrawal would free up troops — thought to be among his army’s best trained and battle-hardened — to fight elsewhere on the front line. Andriy Zagorodnyuk, Ukraine’s former defense minister, expects an escalation in fighting in eastern Ukraine. “The only way Surovikin could realistically sell the idea of the Kherson retreat to Putin was by offering the promise of assured success in the east,” wrote Zagorodnyuk, now a fellow at the Atlantic Council, a research organization based in Washington. “Ukraine must therefore brace for a major escalation in the Donbas region in the coming weeks.”
A winter war: Some U.S. officials have suggested that the fighting could slow down over the winter because conditions would be more difficult. That appears to be a point of contention among some analysts, who say that it is not in Ukraine’s interests to ease up. “Winter weather could disproportionately harm poorly equipped Russian forces in Ukraine, but well-supplied Ukrainian forces are unlikely to halt their counteroffensives due to the arrival of winter weather and may be able to take advantage of frozen terrain to move more easily than they could in the muddy autumn months,” the Institute for the Study of War wrote. Ukraine is about to receive an additional $400 million in U.S. military aid that includes air defense systems and cold weather gear.
Peace talks: Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has made the case in internal meetings that the Ukrainians have achieved about as much as they could reasonably expect on the battlefield before winter sets in, and should try to cement their gains at the bargaining table, reports Peter Baker, our chief White House correspondent. Other advisers to President Biden disagree. Some U.S. officials say that peace talks remain a distant prospect and that both sides think continued fighting will strengthen their eventual negotiating positions.
The endgame: Western and Ukrainian officials are starting to envisage what a stable conclusion to the war might look like, The Economist reports. Will Ukraine become a new Finland, forced to cede land and remain neutral? Or another West Germany, with its territory partitioned and its democratic half absorbed into NATO? Another template is Israel, which has been able to defend itself against hostile neighbors with extensive U.S. military support. Last night, Biden told reporters that the conflict would not be resolved “until Putin gets out of Ukraine.”
So what happens now? Despite this blow to Russia, analysts agree that the war is far from over. Here’s a look at what might lie ahead.
A flare-up in fighting: Gen. Sergei Surovikin, the commander of Russia’s forces in Ukraine, said the withdrawal would free up troops — thought to be among his army’s best trained and battle-hardened — to fight elsewhere on the front line. Andriy Zagorodnyuk, Ukraine’s former defense minister, expects an escalation in fighting in eastern Ukraine. “The only way Surovikin could realistically sell the idea of the Kherson retreat to Putin was by offering the promise of assured success in the east,” wrote Zagorodnyuk, now a fellow at the Atlantic Council, a research organization based in Washington. “Ukraine must therefore brace for a major escalation in the Donbas region in the coming weeks.”
A winter war: Some U.S. officials have suggested that the fighting could slow down over the winter because conditions would be more difficult. That appears to be a point of contention among some analysts, who say that it is not in Ukraine’s interests to ease up. “Winter weather could disproportionately harm poorly equipped Russian forces in Ukraine, but well-supplied Ukrainian forces are unlikely to halt their counteroffensives due to the arrival of winter weather and may be able to take advantage of frozen terrain to move more easily than they could in the muddy autumn months,” the Institute for the Study of War wrote. Ukraine is about to receive an additional $400 million in U.S. military aid that includes air defense systems and cold weather gear.
Peace talks: Gen. Mark Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has made the case in internal meetings that the Ukrainians have achieved about as much as they could reasonably expect on the battlefield before winter sets in, and should try to cement their gains at the bargaining table, reports Peter Baker, our chief White House correspondent. Other advisers to President Biden disagree. Some U.S. officials say that peace talks remain a distant prospect and that both sides think continued fighting will strengthen their eventual negotiating positions.
The endgame: Western and Ukrainian officials are starting to envisage what a stable conclusion to the war might look like, The Economist reports. Will Ukraine become a new Finland, forced to cede land and remain neutral? Or another West Germany, with its territory partitioned and its democratic half absorbed into NATO? Another template is Israel, which has been able to defend itself against hostile neighbors with extensive U.S. military support. Last night, Biden told reporters that the conflict would not be resolved “until Putin gets out of Ukraine.”
Qualsiasi trattativa ora sarebbe solo una farsa perché nessuna delle due parti vuole smettere di combattere. Putin è convinto di poter sfruttare l'inverno per riequipaggiare le nuove truppe e quelle evacuate e contrattaccare in primavera; Zelensky è convinto di poter avanzare durante l'inverno.
Putin ha interesse a fare una trattativa inutile ora con un cessate il fuoco temporaneo; Zelensky non accetterebbe mai un cessate il fuoco.
Putin ha interesse a fare una trattativa inutile ora con un cessate il fuoco temporaneo; Zelensky non accetterebbe mai un cessate il fuoco.
Remember the giant flag that was present the first days of the occupation in #Kherson? It is back.
— NOËL 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 (@NOELreports) November 11, 2022
Spring flashbacks.
WOW!!!!!! pic.twitter.com/Z4n9Jb5kHz
Fa veramente impressione vedere la gioia di queste persone, hanno le loro città distrutte, le condotte idriche e la rete elettrica devastata eppure sono al settimo cielo perché hanno nuovamente il loro territorio sotto la bandiera ucraina
E alla fine lo hanno "quasi" fatto...
Apparently this is footage of the crossing being blown up, not the dam. https://t.co/bMq01pWykk
— Dmitri (@wartranslated) November 12, 2022
Idealmente dovrebbe andare così la fine della guerra 
https://youtu.be/yMzdEIRrQt8
Con i russi nei panni dei tedeschi/austro-ungarici e gli ucraini nel ruolo dei francesi.
(Gran film tra le altre)
https://youtu.be/yMzdEIRrQt8
Con i russi nei panni dei tedeschi/austro-ungarici e gli ucraini nel ruolo dei francesi.
(Gran film tra le altre)
Questo è più realistico temo
Tedeschi e basta, gli austroungarici avevano già fatto a Villa Giusti una settimana prima
Sono d'accordo ma bisogna fare chiarezza per disarmare dialetticamente tutti i pacifisti a corrente alternata di cui abbiamo anche qua vari esempi.
Certo che i video delle truppe ucraine accolte a Kherson scaldano il cuore
Sono fake. Gli abitanti di khwrson hanno votato al 99% il passaggio nella federazione russa
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Possiamo mandare un pacifista a spiegare loro che starebbero meglio sotto il tallone di Putin, e che sono obbligati a combattere dell'occidente cattivo?
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ma tipo il vice governatore di kherson morto "in un incidente stradale" è chiaramente uno switchblade giusto?
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/11/09/remarks-by-president-biden-in-press-conference-8/
Biden ha detto che fornirà all'Ukraina himars da 160 miglia
ATACMS in arrivo
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Biden ha detto che fornirà all'Ukraina himars da 160 miglia
ATACMS in arrivo
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