[Idle game] Realm Grinder

chrean · October 23, 2015, 10:01am

Ho provato ad alzare contingency sopra 900, sui 1300-1400, e non funzia.
Nel senso che sì, posso avere FC perma up, ma a volte mi perdo il cast di quei 9 TC per ogni FC (che è il senso della fase 2 di IGOT) e a volte devo aspettare un bel po' prima che si ricarichi la barra. Forse qualcosa mi sfugge...

Wygga · October 23, 2015, 10:55am

Semplicemente hai troppo regen e devi aumentarlo ancora un po'.

Ora io ho 216 Assistant(e non ho capito a quanti devo arrivare per la fase 3), recco sui 105 mana + la % variabile, ho messo contingenty a 2200.
In 10 secondi di FC riesco a tornare sui 2150 mana, quindi sta praticamente perma UP.
Ogni ciclo(di 11-12 secondi) faccio 26 cast, sono circa 130 cast al minuto.

DooMz · October 23, 2015, 2:31pm

capito, thanks!

DooMz · October 23, 2015, 2:34pm

capito!

e allora per adesso proverò la diamond forge senza opzionare la bloodline indicata... non so quanto possa cambiare, vedremo...

Py7on · October 26, 2015, 10:45am

Dopo 3 settimane sono a questo punto

Non lo seguo molto onestamente però mi sa che sto sbagliando qualcosa...
cosa si suppone che dovrei fare? ho sbloccato tutte le fazioni neutrali e sono a 185 excavations... ho appena softresettato.
help?

HyogaOw · October 26, 2015, 11:19am

IMHO dovresti andare di Titan.

Py7on · October 26, 2015, 11:21am

ok, e devo fare qualcosa di particolare o solo aspettare?

Zapa · October 26, 2015, 11:32am

Pregare gli dei del Random

Uzirox · October 26, 2015, 11:33am

Secondo me a Qa gemme è un po' prestino per passare alle neutral...

chrean · October 26, 2015, 11:45am

Nope.

Con le nuove patch, Titan comincia a essere usabile a 1T.

@Py7on: vai di titans, leggi un po' questo thread, se ti va di culo e imbrocchi un Lightning strike su Monastery o Deep Mines, centuplichi le gemme in un lampo.

Uzirox · October 26, 2015, 11:47am

oooooopsssss....... mi son dimenticato che T < Qa

maledette abbreviazioni! Sìsì, neutrals allora. Anche i Druids non sono male.

Nevermore · October 26, 2015, 11:49am

Questo post dovrebbe essere fatto ad ogni pagina

So this guide will simply highlight the most efficient faction for each gem range (in my opinion).
Please note that THIS GUIDE ASSUMES NEAR MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TROPHIES. e.g demons are the best faction after reincarnation if you have over 400 trophies and the hellfire rush spell upgrade.
I really don’t know which is the best faction for a new player that doesn’t have any trophies – It’s been so long since I was there and so many updates/rebalancing patches came along the way.
However, please do note that IF YOU DON’T HAVE ALL THE TROPHIES YOU CAN AT YOUR CURRENT REINCARNATION/GEM RANGE THEN YOU DON’T WANT TO BE LOOKING AT A GUIDE THAT OPTIMIZES GEM GAINS. YOUR PRIORITY SHOULD ALWAYS BE TO OBTAIN AS MANY TROPHIES AS POSSIBLE. Gaining reincarnations or increasing your gems is a secondary goal.

NO GIFT OF KINGS OR BLOODLINES, 0 ~ 100k (e5) Gems: Elves
Having no premium upgrades means that you will have to grind your first faction coins with a tiny faction coin chance per click. Elves will ease that pain until your fc chance is passable.

NO GIFT OF KINGS OR BLOODLINES, 100k (e5) ~ 1Qa (e15) Gems or WITH GIFT OF KINGS OR BLOODLINES, 0 ~ 1Qa (e15) Gems: Demons
So you either have the gifts or faceline and can instantly set demons up from the get go or you have to get some starting gems with elves before you have a passable faction coin chance. Regardless of how you got here, demons are currently the best vanilla faction to gain gems with after you’ve obtained plenty of trophies.
Halls of Legends tend to get weaker than other buildings later in the game because their upgrades give a higher bonus to the rest than they do to HoLs themselves. Nevertheless, this is NOT the case at the beginning of the game. When you only have 50~300 HoLs, they are by far the strongest building – provided you have a considerable amount of trophies. This coupled with the new ‘Hellfire Rush’ trophy that gives the ridiculously high Hellfire Blast bonus to HoLs, and the 3rd tier demon upgrade ‘Very Bad Guys’ that boosts HoLs directly makes your HoLs the ultimate building of doooooooooooom.
Fairies are much better than they were before, but they still lose to demons in the vanilla phase.

1Qa (e15) ~ 100Qi (e20) Gems: Druids
Druids are viable now. They got slightly buffed but more importantly excavations no longer have a gem cost. This means that it’s as easy to set druids up with excavations as it is to set titans up with LS. It also means that druids now generate slightly more gems and they can easily get you to the prestige phase without RNG headaches.
Titans will still generate many more gems on a monastrike or minestrike but I won’t recommend them because I’ve grown sick of Lightning Strike and bad luck can slow you down whereas druids are more reliable.

100Qi (e20) ~ 100Dc (e35) Gems: Dwarf/Angels or Dwarf/Fairies
I’m done arguing about this point. Pick whichever of the two you prefer. They will both get you to Mercenaries in a heartbit. Just don’t play Dwarf/Elves. I believe we can all agree that they suck
Please remember that this is a good time to start using excavations to setup your runs if you haven’t started that during the neutral phase. This holds true regardless of whether you’re playing Dwarf/Angels or Dwarf/Fairies.

100Dc (e35) ~ 1Nod (e60) Gems: Neutral Mercenaries – Diamond Forge
1Nod Gems is the R12 requirement. While Diamond Forge is always subpar to Lightning Forge, it has no RNG involved so it can get you the easy gems necessary up to this point.
Don’t forget to setup using excavations though. That is especially important for this build because you will need to get at least 800 excavations to make Diamond Pickaxe worth it.
Alternatively, you may consider using Pyrastrike, Brainfart or Moonfart. (These are the 3 short-term builds I’ve personally found to be the most efficient before I made Lightning Forge.)

1Nod (e60) ~ 1Dvg (e69) Gems: Neutral Mercenaries – Lightning Forge
1Dvg Gems is the R15 requirement. Use the lightning forge build to get there. It is certainly capable of that. Just make sure you get any trophy you can as soon as possible because those are important.

1Dvg (e69) ~ 1Qivg (e78) Gems: Good Mercenaries – IGOT
This is a long term build that is based around good mercenaries’ ability to generate assistants through Holy Crusaders. It’s the closest thing we will ever get to Greedinaries.
I have already reached R17 with this build and Nesrevi is currently testing for R18. It is most likely achievable.

BLOODLINES: The current faceless bloodline is good for setting vanilla factions up so I suggest that one until you can afford excavations.
At the neutral phase you can and should probably use excavations to setup so you should go for titan bloodline to get a production bonus. So it comes to this: A) I personally recommend you play druids, setup using excavations and pick titan bloodline, B) If you want to pick druids but not use excavations then use faceless bloodline for setting up, C) If you still feel attached to titans you should probably use demon bloodline. The mana regeneration will allow you to cast LS more often which will give you both more fc to setup and more good strikes for production.
Prestige take too long to setup without excavations and they are so easy to afford at this point that I don’t know why somebody wouldn’t do it. Still, the same thing applies. No excavations + faceline or excavations + production bloodline. Now the thing that’s different is that dwarf/angels want titan bloodline while dwarf/fairies prefer fairy bloodline.
Mercenary builds usually mention what the best bloodline is for them.

Uzirox · October 26, 2015, 11:50am

@chrean mettilo nel primo post va.

chrean · October 26, 2015, 4:15pm

Fatto, spero si capisca.

Nevermore · October 28, 2015, 1:51pm

Arrivare ad 1Uvg di gemme con LS è un bel palo in culo. Madò.

Uzirox · October 28, 2015, 2:45pm

Segnalo questa build per costruire tanti edifici:


Short Length (to Medium)
Everything is Awesome – Booster Build
R7+ for boosting (possibly as low as R3 with no bloodline)
R13 e66 for 35k buildings trophy (at the earliest)
(e64 for final HoL upgrade)

Characteristic: The sole purpose of this build is to build buildings. Runs on autopilot. 
Even if a building trophy is out of reach, it will boost the Faceless Heritage and Overgrowth 
numbers. (It might even produce gems at lower levels – untested.)

Alignment; Evil
Bloodline: Goblin
Spells: Night Time, Hellfire Blast

Tier 1
Fairy 1,1 Pixie Dust Fertilizer
Fairy 1,2 Fairy Cuisine
Titan 1,3 Oversized Legends
Dwarf 1,2 Expert Masonry

Tier 2
Demon 2,3 Demonic Presence
Titan 2,3 Cyclopean Strength
Drow 2,2 Blood sacrifices
Faceless 2,3 Overgrowth

Tier 3
Demon 3,2 Burning Legion
Demon 3,3 Very Bad Guys
Druid 3,3 Building Jungle
Dwarf 3,1 Battlehammers

Instructions: Build Build Build and Build. You should be able to have all 4 spells 
(Hellfire Blast, Night Time, Call to Arms, and Blood Frenzy) on autocast (set to maximum)
with Tax collection set to Secondary. This is all about maximizing Hall of Legends production.

Provata ed effettivamente si produce moltissimo. Mi serviva per sbloccare un po' di trofei

Inoltre il tipo dice che serve anche "Useful for setting the highest % boost for Faceless Heritage and Overgrowth whether you can reach 35k buildings or not!"

aggiunta: con le bloodlines, la fase dei neutral coi titani è impressionante. Basta mettere quella dei demon che danno mana e si fanno soldi a palate. Si è praticamente sempre perma LS

chrean · October 29, 2015, 1:56pm

Uscita l'espansione!

A partire da R16, ci sono nuove quest ed edifici unici per le factions vanilla.

Hanno aggiunto una sbrozza di trophies e updates.

Per dire, comprando tutti i nuovi updates, sono passato da 1Tvg a 11Tvg in pochi minuti con IGOT longer. Senza i nuovi updates, avrei dovuto aspettare ancora un giorno o due...

Leggete le patch notes, sono molto interessanti!

Nevermore · October 29, 2015, 1:57pm

Ecco, da che mi mancavano 4 trofei ora me ne mancano 100

chrean · October 29, 2015, 1:59pm

Ah, hanno buffato anche Angelic Determination. Ora sono a tipo 97.000 % di buff

Zapa · October 29, 2015, 2:34pm

Speriamo porti benefici anche a basse reincarnation. Stasera provo