lol RAZOR 2.0

[Lofe_69]

questo p0rn dal loro forum privato merita un thread a parte

Originally Posted by sevyn nine
note: crossposting from my post in a different thread, because I R mad.

Ok, here is my rant, and it going to piss off some people. Based on how the NC fares against PL, it appears that most of the NC has sub-100 IQ's and sub 100mil isk wallets. Really? Are you fucking serious?

The most recent scuffle: https://www.pandemic-legion.com/kill...ime=2010-12-11 23:06:00&end_time=2010-12-11 23:14:00&system=Z3U-GI

PL has better organization and their members can follow simple fucking orders. We (Razor and the rest of the NC) are inferior in that aspect. Want to beat them? It's simple, copy them.

1) We need an FC that will not accept shit ships. Get some balls and kick people with the wrong ships. The FC also needs to keep the fleet at the proper range.

2) Grab some abaddons, t3 lokis (for tackle and sig radius reduction), a few hics, and a shitload of guardians (20% of the fleet). Don't accept anything else. Nothing! For some ungodly fucking reason we can't get it into our heads that 70 proper ships beats 150 random ships.

3) Guardians, stop your weak-ass killmail whoring. The t1 light armor bots from 20 guardians can give a tackling loki a 4,000+ dps tank. That's bots only, on a loki with under 100m sig radius. And seriously, stop bitching about not getting on killmails. You aren't getting on them now because you are losing your ass every time you go against PL. FC, again, get some balls and make logis spread out and deploy drones to make sure they have armor bots.

This fleet setup will work against everything. Going against a LR hostile fleet would be annoying until you get a warpin on them, but until then, you still won't lose anything. Stop with the retarded theory crafting, grab your abaddons/lokis/guardians, and go have some fun.

[Cater]

e questo chi sarebbe un fc? Un genio sicuro, non pensavo cmq che la mentalità e il modo di pensare inclusa la velocità di eseguire tale operazione fosse caduta cosi in basso, ridicolo e patetico.

[bedfc65591d95bea64f01280437138f0 (Miklas Laces)]

Mi fanno sempre un po' ridere quelli che danno i consigli al fleet commander, pensando di saperne di più. Ciccio se pensi di essere più bravo accomodati e facci vedere cosa sai fare.

Questo in generale, senza alcun riferimento a questo post particolare.

[Lofe_69]

Dio ce ne guardi Miklas ... nello stesso thread parlano con entusiasmo di usare gli Armor Rep Drones per curarsi a vicenda ...

Originally Posted by sevyn nine
None of this is a reason to use damage drones over rep drones. There isn't a lot of warping in and out. That isn't the tactic. You go in outnumbered and the hostiles will come to you. Also, single ships aren't warping in and out because they are actually getting repped by the plethora of guardians.

Originally Posted by FinnAgain Zero
Two things are true.
Yes, FC's can be kinda fucked and don't give adequate warning, especially in high-lag environments, to get drones in. It's easy to lose a lot of drones that way and that needs to change on the operational level. Alar is right on that point, it happens and most logis that pack damage drones will wind up with an empty drone bay by the end of an average op.
Buuuuuut, deploying rep drones provides a non-zero benefit for your fleet and, especially if you put them on a high-value target (in lag light enough that drones are still working), provides a significant buffer to them getting made dead, while a drone bay full of warrior II's are useful pretty much only for killmail whoring. They're also a fuck of a lot cheaper than a bay full of warrior II's, so there's no real excuse not to use them other than the whoring argument.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the optimal way for us to use Guardians is with rep drones and we really should all engage in optimal combat behavior.

Also, yah, we really, really, really need to set up an ap so that Guardian pilots can be recognized, and their corps rewarded, for their participation.

Also, Sevyn for God Emperor.

[bedfc65591d95bea64f01280437138f0 (Miklas Laces)]

evidentemente hanno un ricambio di player molto alto, perchè dimenticano continuamente cose che sapevano già fare

alla fine dell'ultima guerra al nord la NC era diventata abbastanza efficiente es esperta con le bs RR

[Cater]

quindi da domani saranno forti

[Lofe_69]

la NC è tutt'altro che scarsa Cater ... come ogni alleanza stanno subendo un ricambio di FC e di piloti abbastanza pesante.

Razor ha perso un'ottima corp "pvp oriented" e nello stesso tempo ha joinato I.Net ... la qualità ovviamente ne risente; soprattutto quando ai CTA di home defence, una corp di 150 persone (direi proprio non nota per le sue prodezze in pvp) porta dai 2 ai 5 piloti massimo vuol dire che la corp è bella che cotta.

Ma in generale NC può schierare un numero impressionante di supercapitals, il che la rende un avversario molto ostico ... unito al fatto che hanno una Mare di isk. E' semplicemente impensabile batterli in una guerra.

[87b5f41e722843b5f1b973b9390a26a1 (Dire Lonestar)]

La corp "pvp oriented" che e' uscita da Razor secondo le cazzate di Lofe sarebbe la Kia Corporation che in NOVE mesi di permanenza in ally ha fatto 3046 kill, mentre I.net in DUE mesi ne ha fatte 3266.

http://www.eve-razor.com/killboard/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=66&view=corp_kills

Il povero Lofe deve aver smarrito le capacita' cognitive tra le chiappe di Krall

[Lofe_69]

già ... 3000 kill in 2 mesi ... LOL

KIA Corporation [19.7], the remaining core of KIA, has now left RAZOR Alliance and has been drifting around for the last few days. They gained a Liam Fremen but lost a KIAEddz. Not sure it was an even
trade.

Lyonesse., previously in KIA and Razor Alliance, left The Makhai and joined Wildly Inappropriate. yesterday. They managed to avoid Liam Fremen, but now have to deal with Battlestars. I can’t make a comparison to what that must be like without involving truly horrifying obscenities.

[87b5f41e722843b5f1b973b9390a26a1 (Dire Lonestar)]

...a quanto pare c'hanno guadagnato, carta canta scarabo'

[Lofe_69]

mercenary or pet theroy ... secondo Razor ... un po' come Dire che dice che dovremmo fare la guerra "gratis" a Coven e StainEmpire ...

Originally Posted by Ravna Nuwen
I definitely think it is a horrible idea for the NC to have anything to do with PL. Any money or Scaps we give to them will only be eventually used against us.

On the other hand, Im sure DRF seems pretty confident that PL won't ever take a contract against them. PL really isn't so much mercenary at this point as a hired pet of DRF.

Originally Posted by Particle Fountain
Stop reading CAOD. PL are mercs that consider the NC a target and lulz rich opponent. To think they're a pet alliance is utterly, completely retarded. Seriously, stop reading and spreading whatever shit you read in CAOD.

Originally Posted by Ravna Nuwen

I will believe they aren't when they take a contract against DRF.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Pa...e)#Mercenaries

Almost all their contracts have been for DRF. So yeah, at what point is it stupid to call them mercenaries and just call them hired pets? Anyone other than DRF would have to be completely stupid to feed them more Scaps.

Originally Posted by Aveng3X
Please stop posting, also [insert link to EVE History 101 here]. Thank you, goodnight.

Originally Posted by Marioneta
Another thread gone full retard. *surprise*

Originally Posted by Marioneta
Another thread gone full retard. *surprise*

Originally Posted by gorak cz
Proove me wrong , but didnt they got contract by NC (MM ?) like 3/4year ago to spew shit on IT's home during MAX II ? Are they NC pets ?

Originally Posted by Ravna Nuwen
Not sure something that you say happened 3 to 4 years ago has any relevance now.

All I am saying is, if the only people that consistently hire PL are DRF, you might as well consider them a pet. I realize pet has negative connotations but that isn't how I am meaning it. I am saying you might as well consider them in the same power block. So people talking about hiring them against DRF or paying them off just strikes me as quite silly and something I hope no one is seriously considering.

Originally Posted by Anatolli Korenchken
err it was only like 6 months ago that PL was hitting IT CSAA's in Delve during Max2

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ah si mi ero scordato ... la proposta di molti RAZOR è quella di pagarci isk sonanti per andare via da Venal ...

[Cater]

e spero che resterete a legnarli ancora per molto

[Lorenzo.ns]

wts dread guristas invul field lootato qualche giorno fa.

[Lofe_69]

e spero che resterete a legnarli ancora per molto

finchè ci pagano restiamo, non è che ce lo ha ordinato il medico

[87b5f41e722843b5f1b973b9390a26a1 (Dire Lonestar)]

mercenary or pet theroy ... secondo Razor ... un po' come Dire che dice che dovremmo fare la guerra "gratis" a Coven e StainEmpire ...

http://gaming.ngi.it/showpost.php?p=14063140&postcount=32

Cito testualmente Lofe : "qualcuno che fa un esempio di alleanza PVP a cui si può fare guerra ?"

Gli rispondo, e lui ovviamente cosa scrive? " un po' come Dire che dice che dovremmo fare la guerra "gratis" a Coven e StainEmpire "

Perdi colpi scarabo'
Sei tu che hai chiesto qualche esempio di ally pvp a cui dichiarar guerra, io te l'ho fatto, collega il cervello

Perche' non attaccate un'ally pvp seria che rispettate? Perche' nessuno vi paga? Ma allora il vostro scopo non e' il pvp, sono gli isk

[Lofe_69]

qualche altro random leak dal forum RAZOR ... gente di intelligenza sopraffina ... direi che gli I.Net hanno scelto un ottimo posto dove andare in letargo

Originally Posted by Callum545
So Guys now we are back north we will be starting the offensive soon to take back the moons they took from us. So be on the lookout for gangs and keep an eye on the razor forums and mm pos track, the tracker will give you an idea of when ops will be!!.

We will be purging PL from the North and taking back all moons expect fights and for gods sake dont jump caps around without scouts. [ solo in dicembre hanno perso 40carrier 14dread 5motherships ... e 1 titan ]

See you on the battlefield 3some

Forgot to mention usual intel channels will apply tribute_comms etc

and formup channels will be north united as usual

Originally Posted by Sadrinna
why do i think that PL won't show?

Originally Posted by Vhaine Vhindiscar
I never really understood peoples desires to get in bed with mercenaries. It always reminds me of the rich kids on the wrong side of town just trying to score weed. Sooner or later the relationship is gonna end and it won't be a make up sex sorta break up.

Originally Posted by Anharat
Are you a virgin too ?

Originally Posted by Aveng3X
RAZOR has been retreating now for quite a while.

Originally Posted by Vhaine Vhindiscar
Confirm, they were alpha'ing everything on the field.

Anyway, all the rzr US tz folks logged on. Found nobody was forming a fleet 30 minutes after the op timers ended and promptly went to play tanks. Then 15 minutes prior to the pos's coming out, a fleet originally posted as an 'ab hac roam' mysteriously morphed from a 20 man gang to a 100+ man ab gang set on taking down a pos. They literally waited unitl 15 minutes prior to ping jabber. People from PB would be hard pressed to even get to H-W with that short notice. Then once the fighting started I had to close jabber cause I got like 5 pings in a row. Sorta late at that point. ["come formare una fleet" rzr style]

People on coms were talking about there's a cap fleet, no really there's no cap fleet (Shhh! shut your yappers!). A few rage people showed up at such a timely manner that I'm sure there was some sort of super secret plan at work that really didn't do much more then guarantee our numbers were diminished when people were left outta the loop. The real problem was there were at least 4-5 roams and 2 gate camps being posted slightly before or during the super sekret form up. It's was apparently a sekret to everyone who doesn't have the link to op timers or pos trackers.

There's no point in the super sekret retardation to the point of utter confusion. It's obvious PL has had nc infiltrated at such a level that it really is counter productive. They have us on voice coms. They have us on high level inter alliance conversations. So why torture the pions with an extra layer of stupidity? At least if people KNOW somethings going on, they have the option of docking the raven and doing something useful.

Pro-tip, nc can't keep sekrets. Deal with it. You don't kill someone with a carrier battlegroup because you sneak up on them. That's effectively what we do every time we move...it's an amarda. Trying to keep that secret across all these infiltrated coms doesn't seem to be succeeding. So why leach or only advantage here...numbers.

Originally Posted by NathanSPowell
If we are constantly dealing with "spai" issues....

Could we operate in smaller pockets of pilots, say 40 or so per fleet instead of 256 in one fleet?

That's still enough damage to take down primaries, plus you have 5 different primaries making their logistics tougher to manage.

In addition you now have information flows from 5 different comms channels and 5 different fleets to try to keep up with and communicate to the enemy. Much tougher task than relaying the single goal of 256 pilots.
To this end, even leave them in the same fleet, just open communications for each wing and operate in wing units. Wing pilots get wing broadcasts, Wing Commanders get fleet broadcasts, Logis get all broadcasts.

Just saying, sometimes it seems their logis lock our primary before we lock our primary and theory crafting some counter spai tactics is interesting at minimum.

Troll if you will, just an idea...altho anyone who does is clearly a spai!

[bedfc65591d95bea64f01280437138f0 (Miklas Laces)]

Perche' non attaccate un'ally pvp seria che rispettate?

Stai parlando di un'alleanza che viveva a 1 jump da NOL, quando i BoB erano i BoB, ROTFL. Ma vedi tu se mi tocca parlare bene dei PL.. sono le magie di quando apre bocca Lonefag (e dice inevitabilmente la cagata).

[Lofe_69]

Stai parlando di un'alleanza che viveva a 1 jump da NOL, quando i BoB erano i BoB, ROTFL. Ma vedi tu se mi tocca parlare bene dei PL.. sono le magie di quando apre bocca Lonefag (e dice inevitabilmente la cagata).

non oso immaginere cos'altro ha scritto Linguastar nel suo delirio post ban ... grazie pulsantino "ignore"

[bedfc65591d95bea64f01280437138f0 (Miklas Laces)]

Originally Posted by NathanSPowell
If we are constantly dealing with "spai" issues....

Could we operate in smaller pockets of pilots, say 40 or so per fleet instead of 256 in one fleet?

That's still enough damage to take down primaries, plus you have 5 different primaries making their logistics tougher to manage.

In addition you now have information flows from 5 different comms channels and 5 different fleets to try to keep up with and communicate to the enemy. Much tougher task than relaying the single goal of 256 pilots.
To this end, even leave them in the same fleet, just open communications for each wing and operate in wing units. Wing pilots get wing broadcasts, Wing Commanders get fleet broadcasts, Logis get all broadcasts.

HAHAHAHA non ci credo

[Lofe_69]

the CUBE non è un programma
"loro" sono the CUBE