Chaos Chronicles (e le mille ragioni dell'hype)

[Kougar]

n@meless1
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[Ganker]

se non fosse a turni gli darei un'occhiata

[Niymiae]

Turni > real time quando si parla di comparto tattico.

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Ma vuoi ripetere queste cose (risapute) in ogni thread?

N@meless1 punta con determinazione al ruolo di "Vecchino Guarda-Cantieri 2012" di All Gamez.

Sempre meglio che farsi i pompini a vicenda ed elettrizzarsi come adolescenti brufolose con le parole scritte di un'intervista ad uno sviluppatore del tutto trascurabile, voglio dire.


Poi io non sono vecchio e non invecchierò mai, fottetevi.

[TucoBenedicto]

Sempre meglio che farsi i pompini a vicenda ed elettrizzarsi come adolescenti brufolose

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Basta dire idiozie, dai.
È un tattico a turni, su un ruleset consolidato, con un aspetto cosmetico entro i limiti della decenza.
Gli basta anche solo funzionare senza crash al desktop per essere già di base interessante.
Da lì in poi ogni miglioramento aggiuntivo in termini di design è tutto grasso che cola.

Senza contare che il grillo parlante che ti ammonisce con la "cautionary tale" ha un filo rotto il cazzo, come ruolo da forum.
Non è che la gente non sappia che le cose possono eventualmente anche andare male, ma non ha nessuna voglia di sentirlo ripetere in ogni singolo thread.

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Ma infatti non lo ripeto affatto ogni thread, anzi (il thread che hai appena aperto su starship corp, per dire)...poi a dire il vero io me la prendo a ridere eh, mica seriamente. Se *seriamente* sei (tu o blake) così infastidito è una fissa tua. Mettimi in ignore se proprio hai di sti problemi.

In questo caso (diversamente dal sopracitato starship corp, dimmi te se devo starmi a giustificare come i bambini) IO non vedo ragioni per trovare attraente questo progetto, almeno per ora. Non mi basta un'immaginetta e due parole sul concept, che tra parentesi è esattamente quello che avevano fatto con il loro JA dei poveri. Tutto lì, liberi di non concordare.

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Poi io non sono vecchio e non invecchierò mai, fottetevi.

oh amico non lo so, davvero, un giorno sei qui , con noi dico, e il giorno dopo, bam, andato , guardi il cantiere e pensi ai soldi spesi e le mazzette che hanno preso mentre i ragazzini parlottano eccitati della sala giochi o gelateria e non vedono l'ora che apra, e tu li annoii con le concessioni la corruzione i partiti i costi levitati ingiustamente il mondo alla rovescia e il governo ladro


è successo a tutti , è la fine

[Crius]

Si ok ha ragione Tuco, sono stato un po' lapidario.
E' che all'uscita mi risultò assolutamente ingiocabile e l'ho odiato profondamente, pur apprezzando il sistema a turni / azioni.

Non sono più riuscito a rigiocarlo, ad oggi.
E' nella 2do.

Idem. Un cazzo di bug travestito da videogame.

Ho ancora lo scatola a ricordarmi quanto mi fece incazzati.

Ricordo che a un certo punto, non non c'era versi di andare avanti per un bug. Sterminati tutta la popolazione del tempio e disinstallai

Gioco di merda

EDIT: quanto cazzo fa schifo swift3 per Android. Va che post pieno di typo.
Inviato dal mio GT-S5570

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Spoiler

oh amico non lo so, davvero, un giorno sei qui , con noi dico, e il giorno dopo, bam, andato , guardi il cantiere e pensi ai soldi spesi e le mazzette che hanno preso mentre i ragazzini parlottano eccitati della sala giochi o gelateria e non vedono l'ora che apra, e tu li annoii con le concessioni la corruzione i partiti i costi levitati ingiustamente il mondo alla rovescia e il governo ladro


è successo a tutti , è la fin

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/

Location: Nello Spizio di NGI

Vedo che ti sei già rassegnato

[eva]

Io al loro Jagged Alliance ci ho nerdato abbastanza, patch dopo patch. E la buona volontà dei dev di ascoltare le critiche e migliorare le cazzate fatte all'inizio c'è stata. Purtroppo il gioco era un fail gia dall'inizio e trasformarlo in un gioco a turni come doveva essere, con l'engine che utilizzava a peggiorare il tutto, era un'impresa ardua.

Se ora partono con le premesse descritte nell'op, io sono fiducioso, almeno sul gameplay.

[TucoBenedicto]

Qualche nuovo screen:

Spoiler

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[TucoBenedicto]

Tempo di copia-incollare alcune delle informazioni fornite da uno sviluppatore su RPG Codex:

the cooperative multiplayer mode will simulate some kind of pen&paper session, that means every player has his own character(s). We have no intention to create some kind of MMO game. In fact, during the last ten years we became totally bored with any kind of MMORPG (that's one reason why we started this project) . Our focus concentrates on a classical party-based tactical epic singleplayer roleplaying experience like Pool Of Radiance, Phantasie, Bard's Tale or Wizardry (and that's already enough work for us).

And finally: our devblog went online: www.chaos-chronicles.com
In this blog, we are writing about traditional computer roleplaying games and why we are trying to revive this genre (because it's clinically dead since Temple of Elemental Evil). We want to pick the best parts of all those legendary RPGs to create a new homage with state-of-the-art technology and graphics but with 100% classic gameplay.

We would appreciate any kind of feedback from RPG Fans and since the game is still under development any kind of (constructive) feedback will find its way into the game.

What stage of development is the game in? Do you have a design document done and are now implementing it? Can you share some details on combat system and/or character system? I don't want you to say something you aren't supposed to, but give us some insight in the current state of the game.

Hi Marsal, we are currently in Alpha state. The turn-based combat is our biggest construction area at the moment because it's also the most important part of the game. We will write more about the combat system in future blog entries, for now I can say that we've played many D&D pen&paper sessions lately (mostly 4th edition).

Obviously, the combat will be similar to previous D&D games like ToEE or Pool of Radiance but with few (minor) changes. One improvement will be some kind of "swarm unit" (a pack of minor Goblins for example). This swarm unit will move simultaneously as crowd, but every single monster still has its own path and position on the board. We added this crowd system because our aim is reducing the duration while the player has to wait for AI turns. Watching 30 kobolds while doing their moves in Pool of Radiance was pretty annoying.

Another change will be the hexagon board (hexgrid). We had serious discussions about that (and those were very rough and loud !) because our hardcore D&D people didn't want their square grid go. At the end, we decided pro Hexagons because the directional alignment and distance calculations feel more natural than on squares.

As I already mentioned earlier, soon we will publish blog entries regarding the combat including first screenshots.

But meanwhile there are already topics on the blog concerning other gameplay elements like travelling on the worldmap - your opinion about those elements would be appreciated as well!

Also, is the game fully 3D (like NWN) or a mix of 2D backgrounds and 3D characters (like ToEE)?

The game is fully 3D, all environment assets, characters and even the worldmap are 3D graphics. You can rotate the camera (and zooming by some degree) while exploring dungeons or fighting in the turn-based combat. While you walk without any grid in exploration mode, the game automatically switches to a turn-based mode as soon as a combat starts.

And most important for us: you can see all items and equipment on your character in 3D.

Yes, the combat is turn-based but in contrast to ToEE it takes place on a hexagon grid. The exploration (moving through dungeons until the next combat takes place) and travelling over the worldmap is real-time without any kind of grid.

2) how does the combat system plays out? are you using your own system or something based on OGL?

Our combat system will be significantly influenced by D&D, D20 and Goldbox SSI games like Pool of Radiance (Stinking Cloud ftw!)

3) how many characters can your party have?

5 or 6 (+ 1 NPC slot)

4) are these characters created or will you meet characters that can join your party? will these be dead on the inside, or will they have their own personality and agenda (eg: may even betray you)?

You can create your own character(s) from the scratch with dices and you can recruit existing characters in the guildhall. Furthermore you will meet character who could probably join your party. Characters of the last category will have their own agenda and ... secrets.

5) from the screenshots I can see the game is isometric with fixed point of view, correct? will you be able to zoom in and out?

It's fully 3D and you can rotate and zoom the camera (zooming will be limited though)

6) will there be any major plot line with several side quests, or is the game an endless dungeon crawler?

Yes, there is an epic main story and we don't have any kind of random content, every item and dungeon is designed by hand.

At this time, I can share following details about the character system:

Classes: Fighter, Warlord, Paladin, Cleric, Wizard, Rogue, Ranger, Warlock
Attributes: Strength (STR), Dexterity (DEX), Intelligence(INT), Wisdom (WIS), Constitution (CON), Charisma(CHA)

As you can see, our gameplay will be purest classical roleplaying from the time of the first computer RPGs. We have no intentions to create something new regarding the gameplay or regarding High Fantasy Worlds. Kung-Fu Pandarians (introduced WoW lately <- WTF) or other crackbrained "innovations" of modern MMORPGs will not be part of our game. D&D is our religion.

I can't tell any details about our previous project JA:BIA since it has been a work for hire production, but both projects are totally different in every way. Chaos Chronicles is our own project and the last years we worked hard (i.e. commercial games) to get a chance to realize it. JA:BIA has been initiated by a publisher who acquired a well known brand (Jagged Alliance). That's all I can say

You say the ruleset isn't D&D, but the classes you listed are the classic classes of D&D4e, especially the warlord and warlock, which are not present in Pathfinder or any other rpg. Why is this? If you are making your own rules, why copy D&D exactly? Why not have cool classes that D&D doesn't (in core anyway) like Dark Knight (aka Blackguard aka Anti paladin) with cool abilities, and stuff like that.

Note, that is not reinventing the wheel, you can still have your classic classes like Paladin and Fighter, just that these 'cool' classes will make your product stand out and attract more ppl, maybe get better reviews and increase sales while still providing the same tactical gameplay goodness.

We decided to take those classes because they cover the set of classes of traditional CRPGs very well. Since the player is fighting against evil hordes, there is no playable evil class like a BlackKnight/AntiPaladin available. D&D (first edition) was the root of most CRPGs and when in doubt we are going the same path.

What's the magic system like? Will there be a warrior-mage (gish) class?

No, we have Wizards and Warlocks with magical firepower and Fighters, Paladins and Rogues with advanced melee skills. The cleric will have few magical attack spells as well, but those are specialized on fighting undeads. We will not offer to mix or combine different character classes; you choose your class on character creation and that's it. Fortunately, as party based RPG you will have up to 6 character slots to fill

Do you have a rough release date in mind?

First quarter of 2013.

And will there be a pre-defined camera? The reason I'm asking is because sometimes the rotatable camera becomes a pain in the ass.

Yes, you can use the default camera setup which works fine in most situations. But sometimes you maybe want to rotate the camera to get a better view, especially when it comes to ranged combat.

I'm no D&D expert or anything remotely close, so take this question with a grain of salt... But was there any reason for going with your own D&D system, instead of going for Pathfinder's OGL which is free?

I guess the reason is very simple: we are not very familiar with Pathfinder, but with D&D and traditional CRPGs. And Pathfinder is inspired by the same roots, so I think the look&feel of the combat and character system in Chaos Chronicles will be similar.

will you be using any kind of reputation system in respect to characters or factions?

Yes, just one example: the party can accomplish quests from the local townhall to clear Goblin camps nearby. After that, the citizens of that town become friendlier (which results in better prices and new city options) and the travelling in that region safer.

Regarding C&C: a very difficult element in Computer Games. Dragon Age and Mass Effect tried to make us believe the player has real C&C - but behind the scene he hadn't.

Our game will be a world game RPG; you will explore a forgotten realm and beside tactical challenges (yes, it will be TB and there is no discussion about that!) there will be many stories and secrets to discover.

Nonetheless, the player will have some moral decisions but those will not affect the destiny of the whole universe.

Our aim is to recreate a classical fantasy RPG and not to create a new kind of fantasy game within our own universe. We love Tolkien, D&D and CRPGs like Ultima, Phantasie, Wizardry and Pool of Radiance to name a few.
Today, there are already plenty of so called "innovative" fantasy games (mostly MMOs) with their own character systems, races, classes and imaginery worlds. But we stick to High Fantasy and beside Skyrim, Dragon Age (part one!) or Legend of Grimrock we couldn't really enjoy our affection in CRPGs lately (and even those games didn't offer the combat we would like to play in CRPGs).

Character alignment will not be as prominent as in pen&paper roleplaying sessions, because our focus definitely lies on world exploration and combat. But you will get varying responses from NPCs depending on your alignment that could result in different options.

Any plans to release an editor?
Also you mentioned the release date is somewhere in the 1st quarter 2013. When did you start working on this anyway?

We are preparing the game for being modded in future (by massively using LUA scripting), but the editor will not be part of the first release.

The idea was born back in 2008. The pre-production started January 2010 but after 6 months we ran out of cash and that's why we had to start another commercial project. Earlier this year we went on with Chaos Chronicles. So, in total we already spent about 14 months development on this project.

By the way, HobGoblin42: How are you funding this?

Beside self-funding with money from commercial projects we did, we've got funded by a german film funding called FFFBayern. To successfully complete the project we also receive payments from our publisher bitcomposer who is going to distribute the game worldwide.

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scimmie a non finire

[Lucasart]

L'impatto grafico di questo gioco mi piace veramente a pacchi

Per caso nelle varie dichiarazioni hanno accenntato a enigmi ed esplorazione?

[TucoBenedicto]

L'impatto grafico di questo gioco mi piace veramente a pacchi

Per caso nelle varie dichiarazioni hanno accenntato a enigmi ed esplorazione?

Yep.

[Il_FaS]

Need feroce, temple of elemental evil lo ho amato alla follia, pur non essendo propriamente un capolavoro

[Shirlias]

Divertente ma buggato

Btw, contento del dodge a pathfinder e dubbioso circa il sistema rep.
Quoto Lucasart a proposito dell'impatto grafico

[Jehan]

come ha fatto a sfuggirmi?

:fapneed:

[Donnola]

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